How about you save the Amish working horses and ponies first?
Instead of focusing on horses who DON’T need you and are likely to be HARMED by your bleeding heart - focus on the ones who really do need to be “saved”
Fucking rude. Most Amish take really good care of their…
How much time have you spent with the horses thrown away when they aren’t useful to their amish owners? How many Amish “traders” have you worked with or do you know?
There are good Amish owners. There are also a lot of shitty ones. There are many more starving, lame, discarded horses from and Amish background than a big city background - if you base that number on what ends up in a kill pen anyways - and if you choose to ignore that for the sake of.. Whatever tantrum you feel like throwing.. Whatever.
And who exactly do I turn a blind eye too?
Numbers and sources when I get home from work tonight :)
I can put my two cents in and say that, coming from Knox County Ohio and being literally surrounded by Amish, I have to agree to disagree. Yes, I’ve seen many older Amish horses go to auction, but I’ve seen many mistreated English owned horses at auctions such as Sugarcreek as well. I’ve interacted with many Amish, from business owners to horseman, and I’ve never experienced any who intentionally mistreated an animal. It is important to remember horses aren’t pets to Amish. They use them for work and travel purposes. When a horse becomes too old or too weak/lame whatever to work, they cannot see reason to let them stand in a field for the rest of their life, so they end up going to an auction. Is it what I would do with a horse I had owned and worked for years? No. But it’s a different world. Horses are not pets, they’re livestock. There are Amish horse owners who have emotional connections to horses, and there are Amish owners who do not have an emotional connection to horses. But that could be said for horse owners of any lifestyle/discipline. I think any time we as equestrians make blanket statements such as “Amish horses are mistreated” or “NYC carriage horses are not taken care of” or “Tennessee walker owners are evil” it is a dangerous and slippery slope to all Equine related activities being illegal, because I don’t care what discipline or who you are, if someone tried hard enough, they could find something “cruel” in the way you treat your horses, whether it’s true or not. Each individual situation requires it’s own evaluation as opposed to summarizing entire groups/disciplines as “bad”.
Just because they aren’t pets does not mean they don’t have the right to be treated well. You speak of them as if the Amish call them possessions. They are creatures, not just objects. And all creatures should be treated fairly.
I never said they shouldn’t be treated well? As a matter off fact, I said I’ve never come upon any Amish who intentionally mistreated ANY animal, let alone the very horses that provide for their way of life. Mistreated horses happen across the entire board. We need to stop over-generalizing and applying blanket statements to and entire group. As for the whip scars and what not, I’ve also come across barrel horses and spur-trained pleasure horses with scars on their ribs. I’ve seen horses with their faces rubbed raw from an overly tightened nose band, and I’ve seen horses with their tongues/lips cut up from rough hands. Does that mean we attack all barrel racers? All those who use nose bands? Everyone that rides with a bit? Of course not.
I’m not attacking anyone. I’m just saying that all animals deserve to be treated fair. And I’ve read above and seen that it is stated that they are not, and your suggestion to why they aren’t is because the Amish view them only as livestock. Trust me when I say I know how badly ‘livestock’ horses can be treated. I’ve seen a starved horse galloping along a highway with it’s full harness still attached, and then hit by a car in my country, Africa. I’m not attacking the Amish. Only questioning your view on how they are seen as livestock and therefore that’s a justification for how they are treated.
Im not trying to attack anyone either. I’m confused about why the focus is still on “justification for how they’re treated”. I cannot word this in any other way. Not all Amish horses are treated poorly. My statement regarding them being livestock was in no way connected to “how they are treated”. Horses a re no more than a passion/hobby to us in the “English” world. To Amish they provide transportation to work/church/wherever, they work the fields that provide food for their family, they pull the equipment and the wagons that haul the hay. The Amish lifestyle literally revolves around their horses. Would you beat/starve/harm the very thing that your life revolves around? No. Are there bad apples that do? Absolutely. There’s one in every crowd, right? My post is simply saying that it is asinine to over-generalize and make an entire Group the villain and say that “all the Amish horses/ponies need saving”. Once again, this is a slippery slope. I’ve seen English horses get loose and go running down the road dragging their lead rope from their halter and get hit by a car. One anecdotal story hardly serves as a standard. If so, all equestrian activities should be viewed as cruel and inhumane.
Dude. Cool. Wasn’t generalizing Amish people, simply asking you to explain one thing about your argument that I didn’t understand. No offense meant. And through that story I was actually supporting your argument, not going against it. By saying that yes, bad things happen in every culture, to show you that I wasn’t attacking anyone, let alone the Amish. There are good and bad horse owners in every culture. And I agree with you on that.
I had this super plan to mix a Friesian and an Australian pony for dressage….
You are clearly not the only one :D. I was passionate howrse player, and I was breeding arabians only :DD.
I exclusively bred thoroughbreds! It is actually quite clever though, because although you do not have to worry about conformation, to get good horses you had to breed from quality parents! A lot of breeders need to understand that, and re-assess what they consider “quality”
You really need to stop taking things so personally, it isn’t good for your blood pressure.
Haha way to prove my point by once again being condescending. I’m not taking it…
its a debate Rachel, where equals can speak their opinion, you technically make it personal by adding in “it isnt good for your blood pressure”. If you disagree with an opinion and have been proved wrong, keep quiet. dont attempt to make people smaller than you because you cant debate with them.